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Post by ltr113 on Mar 1, 2012 1:54:03 GMT
I was checking out the shotgun selection at the store a while back and got a chance to handle a couple of guns. The Remington 870 seemed so much tighter and smooth than the Mossberg. What's the deal with the Mossberg being so sloppy (side to side) in the pump? In the Remington, there's no side to side movement when you pump it. The Mossberg almost feels like the pump will fall off when you cycle it. Like it's been used A LOT! Does anybody else see this? Is this a good thing? I'm sure they are both great guns but the Remington seems so NEW but the Mossberg feels like it's really been "broken in".
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Post by thunderchicken on Mar 1, 2012 2:45:06 GMT
I own both..........I have had my Mossberg 500A for over 15 years and never had an issue with it.....The Remington 870 I have is in 20 gauge and we have patterned it and it is tight with a turkey choke but have not killed anything with it yet but have killed a few crows and alot of turkeys with the Mossberg........For the money you get alot with the Mossberg but it is not a Remington
Good luck
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Post by ecgreen on Mar 1, 2012 12:18:13 GMT
I like my 500a, but that sloppiness has cost me before. I have had the sound of the gun clunking around spook animals. Even so, it is a great gun for the buck. Even cheaper are the NEF Pardner guns. They are awesome for the money.
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Post by MK-M-GOBL on Mar 1, 2012 12:26:26 GMT
;D I've said that about Mossberg for years. I personally can't get over how sloppy it is. I’ve been a Remington person my whole life so my thoughts will always lean towards the Remington’s. However, with that being said I do know plenty of friends that own a Mossberg and love them! As much as and even more than I love my Remington’s As long as it doesn't affect the guns performance, which I don't think it does at all, it's then a personally preference. Think of it as driving a vehicle with ton of play in the steering wheel or a vehicle with no play at all...I'd always go with the with tight steering
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Post by regnar on Mar 1, 2012 13:15:09 GMT
Look at it this way. Yes there are plenty of Mossbergs out there and they kill a lot of game every year. That does not make them a quality shotgun. The biggest difference is in the trigger (imo). not sure how many pounds it is but VERY stiff. So stiff that it is next to impossible to shoot good groups with a slug gun (500 youth model 20 ga). Other things like the sloppiness you mention and plastic trigger parts make me not like this as well.
I also have a rem 870 that I have had since I was 14 years old (31 years!). My dad bought it for me at the old service merchandise in Dover if any of you guys remember that place. It has NEVER let me down and I have shot a TON of rounds through it.
Just like cars, a KIA will get the job done but its not a For king ranch. Or if you were going on a hunt of a lifetime, would you take that gun?
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Post by ecgreen on Mar 1, 2012 14:44:05 GMT
Look at it this way. Yes there are plenty of Mossbergs out there and they kill a lot of game every year. That does not make them a quality shotgun. The biggest difference is in the trigger (imo). not sure how many pounds it is but VERY stiff. So stiff that it is next to impossible to shoot good groups with a slug gun (500 youth model 20 ga). With all due respect, I 100% disagree. I get great groupings with Remington slugs. With my 20 gauge 500a, I feel very confident out to 75 yards.
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Post by ecgreen on Mar 1, 2012 14:45:07 GMT
Side note: while the mossberg is a decent gun, I would trade it for an 870 in a heartbeat!
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Post by thunderchicken on Mar 1, 2012 15:06:35 GMT
I do LOVE my 870 ( or shoudl I say my sons 870) I have seen MKMs Remington turkey thumper and I must say if I had the chance or the green I would definately buy one just like it!!!!! For now the Mossberg does the trick and has treated me good! I have been eyeing a STOEGER MT3000 semi auto at DICKS but I do not like the camo pattern or color on it.............399.97 is a buy but again the camo turns me off.........would be a great turkey gun and another nice addition to my shotgun stash!!!!
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Post by firestormhtr on Mar 1, 2012 17:46:49 GMT
Benelli SuperNova
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Post by regnar on Mar 1, 2012 22:56:17 GMT
Like I said, its my opinion.
what do you consider good groups? 1"? 3"? 7"? And 75 yards is not all that far.
If you disagreed with me 100%, why would you trade it for a remington?
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Post by nastygunz on Mar 2, 2012 1:38:51 GMT
I shoot all my turkeys with a mossberg 835 which are renowned across the board as turkey killas..they are much sloppier then the Remington, I caught my glove in the pump on my mossberg one time and literally had to rip it out by force..Also mossberg has the LPA trigger now on their new guns:
"Set the trigger resistance from 7 lbs. to under 3 lbs. using the clean and creep-free Lightning Pump Action™ (LPA) trigger"
Mossbergs are like ak47's:
"Mossberg claims the Model 500 is the only shotgun to pass the US Army's Mil-Spec 3443E test, "a brutal and unforgiving torture test with 3,000 rounds of full power 12 gauge buckshot""
My duty shotgun however was a Remington!..They are both great brands with differences..when I was a kid all the adults had Ithacas!
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Post by nastygunz on Mar 2, 2012 1:43:46 GMT
And I bought a stoeger m2000 from dicks about 5 years ago, have blasted countless crows and other game with it, everything from 7 1/2 shot to slugs and buck shot and it is my every day every job shotgun, not 1 single problem, excellent gun imho.
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Post by regnar on Mar 2, 2012 3:17:23 GMT
When I was in we had model 12 pumps for breaching and they were being replaced my 1200's.
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Post by ecgreen on Mar 2, 2012 3:52:09 GMT
Like I said, its my opinion. what do you consider good groups? 1"? 3"? 7"? And 75 yards is not all that far. If you disagreed with me 100%, why would you trade it for a remington? 3 inches and 75 yards with a 20 gauge is good IMHO. I would trade because of the fact that the 870 doesn't clank around like my 500
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Post by MK-M-GOBL on Mar 2, 2012 16:33:02 GMT
Talking about triggers, you can always have a gunsmith take sloppy out of it. Most gunsmiths won't touch a shotgun trigger so you would have to shop around. I've had the triggers on at least 3 of my turkey thumpers over the years worked on. Not to make them lighter but just to take any creep out of them and my guy does them for around $30. If I were to be looking for a shotgun to make into a slug gun, I wouldn't be looking or buying a Remington or Mossberg. I'd be buying the gun I've got on my wish list...the Savage 220F You can see it on the New Toy??? thread in the shotgun board. No worries about a sloppy trigger, sloppy stock or have the trigger worked on
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