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Post by whitetail71165 on Feb 12, 2006 21:45:57 GMT
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Post by perry on Feb 13, 2006 13:11:15 GMT
Well, I guess I'll step off on this one. Awfully quiet out there. It's just sitting here like a three hundred pound pile of crap in the middle of the floor and everyone wants to pretend it isn't there. Perhaps if it were say...Michael Moore that irresponsibily shot someone, we would have filled two pages here before noon. Accidents do happen, but refusing to accept any part in the incident or acknowledging accountability, which he did in his statement last night by saying basicaly, "it wasn't MY fault", is simply wrong. Acknowledge that mistakes were made and use the opportunity to explain to everyone how they could have been avoided. Not only does he shoot his partner, he shot us all in the foot as well with his usual lack of tact and personal responsibility.
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Post by MK-M-GOBL on Feb 13, 2006 22:24:01 GMT
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Post by regnar on Feb 14, 2006 4:22:24 GMT
Ok, here it goes,
I dont think ANYONE should be making comments on what has happened becuase 99% of what is being told to us is either coming from the media or the information is being filtered through the media. I dont think that needs any explaining as to what the information could be. This moorning most news outlets were reporting that he was shot in the face with Buckshot....quail hunting?? Enough said.
As far as what we would do if it was Michael Moore, well that is not a valid comparison. Michale moore or anyone like him would never be put in that position.
I dont know if was wrong or not. I can see how it could happen having done ALOT of bird hunting with dogs and several people in a line. IF and i say IF it happened as I have heard the other guy is at fault. You have to stay in postion. That is how the shooter knows where NOT to shoot.
I Have been peppered a few time while hunting phesants, geese and ducks. Each time it was eiter an acciden or it was my fault. ACCIDENTS do happen. I believe that this was an accident, as far as I can tell at this point.
As far as beinga knuckel head or lacking personal responsibility...well besides the fact that I am biased becuase I like him, he is one of the smartest men in the adminastraion. If you think other wise just watch the tape of him testifing in front of congress any of the number of times that they have draged him over there. He not only talks circles around all the liberal he can make the look foolish and condradictory quicker than most.
If you did nothing wrong it serves not usefullness to take responsibity. That is somehting the libs due. Dont matter if your right or wrong, just admit to and it will make everything better.
Sorry to rant but I dont think this is something that we shold be bashinga hunter for. Save that for the poachers and the slobs who break every law in the book every time the go in the woods.
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Post by perry on Feb 14, 2006 13:00:57 GMT
I guess we're going to disagree on this one. He is as much to blame as the guy who got shot. I don't care what shooter etiquette says, you need to know where your partner is or you don't shoot, it's that simple. If you miss a target on the 3D course and you're off in the puckies looking for it, I don't shoot an arrow just because I can't see you. As for personal responsibilty, the statements he made, came from his mouth, not the press. He said that no one told him he needed a bird stamp. BS, he hunts enough, and in Texas, to know that he did indeed, need a stamp to hunt quail. I don't care how busy a man is, if you're going hunting ANYWHERE, it's YOUR responsibility to know all applicable game laws before you fire a round. Of course it was an accident, but that doesn't mean you don't have to own up to your part in causing it. I am disapointed in his behaivor after the fact and the way they've decided to handle it. It shows me that the rules really are different for the rich and powerfull and it puts a lot of distance between someone who should be out front on all hunter issues, and everyday hunters who have to go the extra mile to maintain any sense of credibility with the non hunting public.
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Post by regnar on Feb 14, 2006 23:12:48 GMT
I agree and disagree with you on your last post. There is no excuse for not knowing the law and not having the correct tags or stamps.
I still belive that it was an accident and he does not have any personal responsibility to own up to it. Let me use your example of the 3d course.
Lets say you show up to taget # 12 and there is nobody in sight. Your group procedes to shoot their arrows and when its your turn you miss the target and immeditly hear a scream. You guys run down and find me on the ground with an arrow in my but with my shooting partner getting his arrow puller ready!!!
WAs it an accident? yes. Do you have any responsibity towards causing it becuase I neither left my bow in front of the target or left my partner at the stake? of course you dont. It is 100% my fault that I got shot.
p.s. dont go getting any ideas. I tend to shoot back ;D
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Post by perry on Feb 15, 2006 0:36:28 GMT
Well, we can't have that. Besides, if we start tossing arrows around we wouldn't be able to have these spirited little conversations anymore, which I really appreciate. Our goal is a comon one, how we arrive at it, isn't always going to be from the same direction, and as long as we can all get there without having to pull arrows out of our butt's, we'll be alright.
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Post by Scout on Feb 15, 2006 1:01:18 GMT
Regnar, I tend to agree with you on this. The news is now saying that the guy that got shot has now had a heart attack. I think at this point we should all just concentrate on a speedy recovery for this man.
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Post by b4rifle on Feb 15, 2006 12:58:00 GMT
I would have a heart attack also if I had to hear about myself on the news all day.
-Hopefully everything will turn out all right and people can learn from these mistakes.
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Post by whitetail71165 on Feb 15, 2006 22:57:00 GMT
A couple points i'd like to make.
First, Whenever i hunt with a group as they were the rule is you don't shoot unless you are aware of where everyone is. If there are so many guys that we cannot keep track then there are to many people and we hunt different areas.
Second, The individual that was shot should have stayed out of the way until he could have announced himself and reenter the group.
I understand accidents happen but we as hunters need to learn from these cases so that it doesn't happen to us.
As for the lack of a stamp. Well, that should never happen. It's our responsibility to know and understand all the game laws in any state we plan to hunt in.
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